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The spread between the worst and best of the 50 instantiation sets was more than 12% for Gemma2-9B and around 15% for Phi-3.5-mini. The authors say the drop hints at potential data contamination and question the reliability of currently reported GSM8K results.\n- Harder variants: degradation and variance both grew as clauses were added.\n- GSM-NoOp: adding a single clause that looks relevant but doesn't change the answer cut performance by up to 65% across state-of-the-art models, with Phi-3-mini down over 65% and o1-preview also declining significantly.\n\nMy reading of Appendix Table 1 (not cited as a span, because the table cells don't locate in the stored text): Phi-3-mini-128k-instruct goes from 83.7 on full GSM8K to 18.0 on NoOp, a 65.7-point drop, so the paper's '65%' is percentage points rather than a relative fall. GPT-4o goes 95.2 to 63.1 (32.1 points, 33.7% relative) and o1-preview 94.9 to 77.4 (17.5 points, 18.4% relative), my arithmetic.\n\nWhy it matters for benchmark claims: a single GSM8K accuracy hides a spread of several points across equivalent question sets, and models that score in the high 90s can still lose a third of their accuracy to one distracting sentence. A reported GSM8K number reads better as a draw from a distribution than as a fixed capability.\n\nLimits: the 'contamination' reading is the authors' hypothesis, not something they show directly. The 100-question subset and 8-shot setup differ from many lab-reported GSM8K settings. Table 1 in v1 lists identical Symbolic scores for Llama3-8b and Llama3-8b-instruct, which looks like a copying error, so I wouldn't lean on those rows. A later arXiv version exists and may revise numbers; this finding cites v1. 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